This is the third hour afternoon lecture. It’s December the 18th.

This is the second lecture of the afternoon of December the 18th, and we are continuing here on this chart of havingness.

The… uh… graph which you see up here is a graph demonstrating present time, and uh… third part of the graph we have here, and all it is is just uh… the… the amount of energy a person uses to think. That would be the lowest level on this picture: the amount of energy a person uses to think.

Now you may think that I’m making too much… too much action here – a little bit too much randomity for you by giving you this material. But I’m giving you, in this lecture, an option between one and two things. I could simply process some people here, and I intend to do so but uh… this afternoon, but I want to have in circulation and in your hands enough material so that you can actually do some extrapolation – that’s a wonderful word, EXTRAPOLATION – people look in vain in dictionaries for this word EXTRAPOLATION – uh… it isn’t INTERPOLATION because that’s „find the point in between…“ Someone… and so let’s go out further and discover it.

Of course, A PERSON DOES NOT USE ENERGY WITH WHICH TO THINK! That is the essence of nonsense. Because if a person uses energy to think, a person could only think then with facsimiles. And how can he only think with facsimiles?

Uh… mathematics could be called extrapolation. it… it’s what you figure from, into. That’s just what we’re doing in present time, you see – it’s approximation. We’re predicting the havingness change and estimating the rate of change of havingness when we’re estimating the future.

Well, because if he uses energy to think, all he’s doing is introducing automaticity. He throws out a little energy beam and that restimulates something or other and then that tells him what to think, and that’s the way he gets into this. He starts trusting his uh… facsimiles and experience rather than trusting his ability to be.

I want you to know about these thing’s because you can do some thinking on this basis and you will discover probably some very interesting material from this, because this is only a barely, slightly explored field. When we start to talk about time’s rate of change… time as a rate of change of havingness, or not-havingness…

So, he’s up there on a gradient scale, and we see well into the future there, no energy, no ‘E’. There isn’t any energy there used to think, a person postulates, a person decides.

Now therefore, its first and immediate value to you in therapy shouldn’t be overlooked. This is possibly the first analysis ever made of psychosis that is really a good solid mechanical analysis. Why is a psychotic always in the past? Your neurotic is, at best, in the present. And your people who are sane are doing very well in the future. They’re thinking into the future, consistently and continually, and it could be said that a man is really as sane as he can think into the future.

Decision. There is no higher decision than… than… than just saying so. You… you say so and it’s going to be true, so therefore you say so.

Why is this? That says, „A man is as sane as he can predict and estimate the rate of change of havingness and not-havingness.“ Hmm. As long as a man can predict the rate of change of havingness and not havingness, he is quite sane. And when individuals are unable to predict the rate of change of havingness and not-havingness, they are unable to predict. And are not sane. When they’re unable to predict it, they’re just unable to predict it, then it makes out of them what? An effect.

Now, there are a lot of little sneaking tricks a person plays on himself. He says, „Well, that wouldn’t be any fun if you just said it was the case, and then it turned out to be the case; there wouldn’t be anything to expect, you see, and therefore I wouldn’t get any…“

Now the rate of change of havingness and not havingness could be considered to be cause. Therefore, cause is motivated, then, in the future. Cause isn’t in the future, though, because this tells you that cause is flow and energy. Oh, nonsense! You can’t have time without, space, energy and objects. There isn’t any time without those items. And the most pertinent of those items are and the best estimation done on those items is rate of change of havingness of the… you… now you have this…

Oh, what a… what a trick. That… that is just a trick, by the way, it isn’t the case. When a person gets up to a point where he’s… starts to think with no energy, boy things really start to get smooth, and he starts to enjoy things in a calm, beautiful way and he can introduce all kinds of randomity, his interest level gets very high; his interest level’s very high, he doesn’t have much liability for anything.

Now let’s… let’s predict what’s going to happen tomorrow on the planet Xerxes. Can you… can you predict that? What’s going to happen tomorrow on the planet Xerxes? No, because you doesn’t have any havingness on Xerxes, that’s all. I mean, there isn’t any present time there, so how can you predict a rate of change there?

But then he falls into these various tricks. He has an experience, and this experience quote teaches him unquote something. And in being taught something, he is in a state whereby he will then use the experience instead of acting, and so he goes down tone scale and he starts using a light deposit… I mean, a light amount of energy to think. He wants it to flick over to that old facsimile over there that he’s got, and that’ll flick back in a certain way, and then that will square him up in some other way, and he gets it all worked out, whereby he will now be prevented from leaving a situation in one condition when it should be in another condition, and he’s figured out some kind of a method to use force on himself in order to be sure that he complies with the rules. And he made… probably made these rules to that extent and he’s complying with his own rules, or somebody else than himself, and they’re not very savage rules.

Rate of change – my God! How could you possibly predict a rate of change when you don’t even know what’s changing? So you couldn’t predict the future and as far as Xerxes is concerned, two conditions exist: You are not interested and it doesn’t immediately influence you; or, if interested, it again doesn’t influence you. So what?

Then he’d drift downscale which is back toward present time, and uh… he’d use more and more energy with which to think. That is to say, he’d use facsimiles more and more. Instead of using just little locks and things like that to think with, now, why he uses a little heavier brand of facsimiles.

Now it’s only when a person is interested in havingness of a present time that he can become non compos mentis with regard to that present time. A person must be interested in havingness to be insane. And by definition here in this universe, a person must be interested in havingness to be sane. You also must be interested in not-havingness to be sane. Hmm-hmm-hmm. Where are we going?

Life has not been good to him. Life hasn’t been good to him, indeed! How could life be anything to him? He is life!

Uh… now, an unknown datum doesn’t disturb you a bit. The planet Xerxes, his state of government or what is going to be printed in a… publication there uh… tomorrow by some loose-moraled fellow doesn’t even vaguely interest you. And yet it’s an unknown datum.

So, he’s starting to reverse, And when he gets into present time – ‘course, present time is a consistent and continuously existing equation which this is the solution of the interdependency balance of all dynamics as represented at this instant for your future look at things.

And you’ll find your psychotic has gone mad because of an unknown datum. He doesn’t know what’s going to happen in the future. That uncertainty concerning the rate of change of havingness and not-havingness. He’s become so unsettled and so upset about it, he can’t predict it, that he’s become psychotic about it. And as long as he is…

Of course, present time itself becomes something one needs. He has to have the solution of all eight dynamics at any moment in order to get himself a higher level. See? I mean, he’s already said, „Look. The eight dynamics are not myself. I couldn’t be eight dynamics. I need to be informed by eight other dynamics of some sort or another as to the existing state. Now, the first dynamic informs me very easily by pouring my own facsimiles in on me, and the second dynamic informs me with equal ease, by demonstrating to me the existence of this sensation. And the third dynamic tells me this, because uh… here are all these people, and uh… I am in agreement with them, and they’re in agreement with me.“ And so on, we go on up the line.

You see where we’re going? Interest. Interest is the monitoring action. Where there is no interest, there isn’t any insanity. Of course, there’s also nothing.

Now, here are all these eight dynamics then, and this is present time, MEST universe. Any given instant of interrelationship of, is present time.

And so you get a… an interesting, but not monitoring or terribly sweeping, common denominator to past, present and future, and the state of mind with regard to them. And that… that is monitored by interest in it. „Do you care?“

Solution. The solution is represented in a solid, more or less, mathematical form.

Uh… ah… the great Rabelais tells a fascinating story whereby two characters were in battle and everybody is sweating and streaming blood and… and uh… brawling, and… and these armies are crashed together and interlocked, and it’s toe to toe and slug, slug, slug. And… and… and these two characters, for some reason or other, to catch their breath, withdraw a short distance and uh… climb a little hill. And they look down in the valley and they see these little tiny figures down in the valley. And they’re just moving like little tiny dolls, and it becomes so unimportant to them that they begin to laugh. And they laugh very heartily about it and, of course, just stretch out in the sun and that’s the end of the battle as far as they’re concerned.

It’s as though you had an enormous electronic computer which had an enormous number of data being fed to it, almost at random, continually, and it was bringing out what the balance was at this instant. And that balance is in your hands at any instant. That’s the balance of havingness. And the more worried you are about that balance of havingness, the closer you are to it. And some people will get a thirst for it to be TERRIBLY REAL!! And they get this thirst for it to be REAL! That means: „My God! I sure have to inspect that solution. All the time. I just have to keep my feet right on that solution.“

You want to know why theta clearing can suddenly produce such a change of viewpoint in an individual, I’m afraid it’s contained in that data that I’ve just given you. Estimation of the rate of change of havingness is either interesting or very interesting or terribly interesting or, „Oh, my God! We’re lost unless…“ And that’s being… everything is serious and important.

You’ll get somebody, the poet, he is going up the street, his body is starving, he’s in terrible condition financially uh… any other condition you can think up is liable to be visited on him at any moment, and what is he doing?

Now what is… what does ‘serious’ and ‘important’ mean? ‘Serious’ and ‘important’ are words put down to „interest is intense because of penalty.“ And you could say „importance is an interest… an intense interest because of penalty, and it is as intense as the penalty is envisioned to be intense.“ That man who can not be made to feel any pain from hunger, rain, snow, ice or the other things they have in the post office department, he, you see, wouldn’t be able to feel any penalty – unless it were the penalty of being bored and that is a penalty itself.

He is going up the street composing a poem that has to do with something he saw down the street. And the world comes along and they look at him and they say, „Look at that fellow. He’s in rags. He… he’s this way. He’s that way uh… something or other.“

Boredom, however, is just not a state of inaction. It is a state of idle action, vacillating action, where penalties are yet in existence. And where they are great. But a state in which one has decided he can’t really do anything about them, it’s just a high-toned apathy. And it… it… there’s a certain insouciance that comes along with boredom; there’s a flippancy.

He, by the way, is less perishable than the much solider citizenry.

Now what, then, is ‘sanity’? Well, let’s rate it there… It would be „unable to predict the rate of change of havingness and not-havingness with regard to one’s interest in those things which are changing, and with regard to the penalty which one believes may accrue from not being interested in those things. That’s a clumsy definition. It will come down in size and shape. But let’s look at it again: It… It’s… ‘sanity’, then, is monitored by what one can gain balanced by how much one can be punished because of have and have-not, and the unpredictableness of the changes which might take place in have or have not.

A song can racket down the ages. It doesn’t corrode. It doesn’t have to be polished, maintained, oiled, shelved or put in a vault. It happens that a song is far more powerful than any blaster ever invented.

The goal of a static is to be a static. The goal of an ‘all motion’ is to go in all motion. And as we see the interplay of a static against all motion, we find out that we have a theoretical point of action halfway between these bands where the penalty could exist, but would not sweep away all, where havingness is not the most important thing.

I wanted to write a story one time about a fellow, an alleged son of Genghis Khan, who took a… took a town with a song when the Khan had failed.

Now havingness becomes more and more important to the psychotic until he will give away anything, or he will take and hold on to everything. And he thinks… objects and words and everything else. So his interest is terribly aberrated. And his belief in pain is terribly aberrated, and if you get somebody who is very psychotic, they’ve either abandoned the body to a point where anything could happen to it, or the tiniest little scratch is regarded by them as destruction beyond destruction beyond destruction.

The only thing you really remember about the great conquerors is a song somebody wrote about them. The thought was the poet’s.

So, uh… theta clearing just side-steps the whole problem by deintensification of havingness; and by almost completely eradicating the penalty of not having, or the penalty of having. It is not a retirement from the lists; it is not an abandonment of anything. But it is an ability to come into the control and ownership of things, and therefore a person’s stability as a theta clear would depend upon, yet, their interest and evaluation as pertained to their body and – what Freud called the ‘alter-ego’ – all the other possessions of the body, like the family and uh… uh… the car and all that.

And the solid citizen says, „Now look. We sweep you away. It’s so easy. We throw you in the Bastille. We do this. We do that. We do something or other with this MEST of yours. You see! You see! Now, we can do this to you. And we can do that to you. You see! You see!“ And he just doesn’t see at all.

A little light begin to break through on this.

Voltaire writes a very polite letter to the people who threw him in the Bastille for a year because he had been waiting, and working and having an awful time trying to find the time in order to write one of his better works, and he discovered in jail the calm and peace necessary to devote this time, so he wrote them. And he was probably quite sincere about it; it didn’t worry him. They couldn’t do anything much to his MEST that put him in any very permanent state of disrepair. And he was in a condition of mind where he didn’t use very much energy to think.

But the funny part of it is, we can’t subtract anything from this universe because of this doggoned rate of change of havingness. This universe will either blow up or solidify one way or the other, if one were to subtract from it, out of any one of its equations, let’s say this: One, two, three, four, six, seven and eight – and leave five. He wouldn’t go, would he?

And a fellow does quote good thinking or quote good solutions about to the rate that he doesn’t use any energy in the line. Just about in that ratio.

Or, the universe, if he did make it, would blow up, on what subject? The fifth dynamic. You’ll find, then, that inequalities of interest and an unbalanced state of interest on the part of the preclear – that is why we’re interested in „can’ts“ – resolve down to an inability to draw out in a balanced state. He’s got to take all eight dynamics out of the equation if he’s going to leave this universe – all eight – simultaneously. The universe’ll never miss him.

The best solution is simply a postulate. What is a better solution on the whole problem of light than to be able to say, „Let there be light.“ And there’s light. No real reason why there had to be light, by the way. That would make a solution necessary.

But if he tries to take all eight except two out – nnohhh! It’s not just going to miss him, I… it’s not going to let him go because, you see, the universe seems to represent a havingness and have-not-ness. It… it… it, to some degree, owns your preclear. Every time he has a line to it, it has a line to him. So any time he says, „Well, I’m just fine except for the second dynamic. I still seem to want this sensation from these bodies, and so forth. They’re a disgusting thing, these bodies, but second dynamic – hummm!“

Why people ask about „Why?“ all the time, and demand that we have a reason for everything is a very simple thing, you see. They’ve got to have a reason because they’ve got to have the solution because the penalty is so great and there is present time, and they’re holding grimly onto present time.

It… it… it doesn’t just mean that your preclear is holding on, because it means that there’s a great big cable around his neck and it’s got him nailed down to a stake. And as long as he thinks he has to be in this universe in order to indulge that sensation, as long as he has to have something else to undo it besides himself, oh boy!

Well, as they drift back to present time they’re all right. They’re at least standing around saying, „What’s a solution? What’s a solution? What’s a solution? What’s a solution? What’s a solution? I don’t see it very well. I wish I could see it better. I wish I could see it much better, but I can’t see it very much better. But if I could just see it a little bit better…“

Now, you see, he is four parts, as e homo sapiens. And so when it comes to subtracting the thetan from the body, he has to have a body with which to enjoy other bodies, he thinks, at the state he’s in. Now let’s draw it up a little further and demonstrate to him that he doesn’t have to have other bodies; he doesn’t have to have a body of his own in order to procure this sensation from other bodies; it isn’t necessary for him to have a body of his own. He can just take it off of any body any place. „Well,“ that fellow says, uh… „that’s great!“ Your preclear is still nailed down in this universe, because every one of those bodies will put a line on him for every line he puts on them.

Or, „I am really bored with it, I – uh… ‘course I need the solution all the time, but I don’t quite know what to do with it. Let’s see, how solid’s the lamp post? How solid’s the sidewalk? How solid are the walls? How solid are the…? Am I going to eat tonight? Well, yes, I am going to eat tonight. I eat tonight. I’ll have to eat uh… I’ll get to eat that. To eat, that’s present time. That will keep me going in that… in the… that… that is right.“

And uh… that’s how he came down tone scale in the first place.

Havingness. Havingness. Havingness. Havingness. Not-havingness. Not-havingness. Agree-agree, disagree, want, not-want, not-need, need… wirrrrrwwww. It all goes on the monitor of how much he needs, isn’t it?

So, we have to then shift it over to ‘own universe’, and he has to be able to mock up a havingness or not-havingness on any one of the dynamics, and particularly where interest is involved. He has to be able to create anything he is interested in and continue an interest in it in order to get rid of MEST universe havingness and not-havingness. And nobody’s recommending to you, really, that you get rid of this havingness and not-havingness in the MEST universe.

I told a producer one time that my leisure time was worth seven-hundred dollars a week, and he fainted. He almost literally did faint. Any salary drawn would have to be in excess of that, because that was the price of leisure. He couldn’t figure this out. Maybe you can’t, but it makes good sense to me. It makes very good sense to me.

But I’m just telling you that the interest monitors it, and that is monitored by one’s belief that it only exists – the other thing, scarcity, in this universe – that there’s a penalty in leaving the universe, and the penalty of leaving would be the penalty of not any more having something, ugh… You see?

There’s no use working at all, I figured, on a job that one didn’t have much of his heart in. It was better to have nothing to do. Up to seven-hundred dollars a week, and that was the level of havingness which would make it interesting!

All right, this universe is rigged this way: Every time you want something in this universe, you can’t have it. If you really want something, long enough and often enough on an outflow for it, it, of course, if you do get it, it’ll disagree with you. And so it’s a dwindling spiral operation, and by electronics this goes down… As we were talking about very interestingly the other day, this DC flow problem. There could be no DC flow; if you changed viewpoint as fast as you changed polarity, you would think you saw a DC flow. Now, that’s very good – that’s very good. A fellow in class mentioned this – very interesting. But if you insisted there was such a thing as a DC flow and never changed your viewpoint, you would have to have lower and lower and lower and lower potentials. And the… the lower the potential, why, you get another flow, and then you get a lower potential and you get another flow to it, and then you get a lower potential and you get another flow to it. And there’s, of course, no place to go but bottom, and it’s mud from there on down.

Now, you can actually plot pay that way. You can simply ask yourself, „All right. Let’s see now, I wonder what uh… how long… this… I’m… I’m interested in this preclear. Therefore, I’ll do this preclear for nothing.“ Or, „I’m interested in having a few things.“ Or, „I’m interested in buying a few things so I won’t have to have some other things as solutions. And therefore I’ll have this preclear for three hours and I don’t want the preclear for three hours, so therefore I’ll have to bring it up to a level which makes it interesting to me to have the preclear for three hours.“

Now if you got a… a viewpoint which decided that your potential was going to go up all the way, it would have to be a negative gain, and you would have to continue the negative gain. As long as you continued this, you’d go on up tone scale and out the top. But you would have to do it on all eight dynamics. This is not very… not very difficult. This is… this works out automatically. This is inherent in the techniques which have been proposed – inherent.

Don’t omit that. Don’t ever consign yourself to a drudgery. Because, when the interest isn’t there, it’s just drudgery. There isn’t any reason why you have to do anything. Brim it out.

Now let’s look over here at this chart again, and we find the rate of change of havingness – and of course, and uh… we’ll put this plus and minus – meaning havingness and not-havingness – the rate of change of this determines… determines randomity; and that’s what randomity is. You’ve been asking for a lot of definitions for randomity: Randomity would best be described as the rate of change of havingness and not havingness. This is randomity.

Now, the energy used to think by the psychotic is of course no personally manufactured energy at all. It’s just glue of energy once used. And he’s just got it all pulled in on him like mad, and of course he obeys only the commands in it, only the commands in it, only the commands in it, only the commands in it, only the commands in it.

And if you want lots of rate of change, you want lots of randomity. If you want lots of randomity, you get lots of rate of change of havingness and not-havingness. You decide, „Well, now let’s see. We’re going in… going into a lot of action. We’re going to choose out these teams to fight, and that means…“ And what are you going to get? Oh, boy! You’re going to get loss and gain on an unpredicted level – every time. Of course, you get mired down in a universe which is operating, or an area that is operating all but automatically. No-ho. Any… almost anything you do in it sets up these automatic reactions. Automaticity is really there. Automaticity is there to such a degree that you cannot regulate the interdependencies of the eight dynamics and as a result the eight dynamics and all eight dynamics are to be found in any particle of this universe, no matter what form the thing takes, you’ll find all eight. It isn’t just that you find all eight in a man.

It says, „Not do.“ It says, „Do.“ He does, he does not. That’s all there is to it. Energy potentials.

And that ‘all eight’ is your octahedron of filling space – just as an aside comment. Putting it into space, characteristics as well as particle characteristics, because, you see, your octahedron is not a particle characteristic at all. It’s what you would, quote, ‘fill space with’, it would be the forms which fill space.

Now, let’s look at that, then, and lets find out that uh… you’re going up toward no-energy to think, when you’re going up to postulates. When you are going up to Postulate Processing, when you say „Postulate Processing“, you’re processing somebody toward future.

So you’re not going to do any grand job of pulling your preclear out if he still has, and you do not know about, something that nails him down good and hard on this tone scale. What is that tone scale? As that tone scale descends it is ARC, it’s a lot of other things. Something else more important to you – it’s time. It’s one’s belief in his ability to predict the rate of change of havingness and not-havingness. And at 1.5 one has lost his ability to not-have. See, it’s an ability. He’s lost his ability to not-have, so he has to have everything, and that gives you a terrific hold, and that gives him this enormously strange attitude toward all these various things.

Well, you… of course, you don’t think in the future. If you’re in relationship to the solution, which is present time, you say, „Now, let’s see. Uh… let me think uh… I don’t know whether my car will be outside or not, or whether or not I can possibly drive or not drive in some other direction, but if I go down to some other direction and do something or other, then so on. But if I did that, why…“ That’s just stream of consciousness, for a lack of energy to think.

Now, what happens at 1.1? This person has lost his ability to have and he’s doing a terrific dispersal… pardon me, at 1.0 fear, uh… he’s doing this terrific dispersal and it’s all ‘not-have, not-have, not-have, not-have, not-have’ – see? He’s lost his ability to have.

„Tonight I shall dine at the uh… Russian Pentagon Building,“ or something. You just say that. You see, make a postulate.

Now let’s go down tone scale, and we’ll find somebody in grief, and we find they’ve again recovered a little ability to have and not-have, and . then they went into grief on it, and we find somebody who has lost their ability again to not-have. Now what… in mock-ups. Well, how do you find this person? This person will be in the strange and wonderful manifestation of just… just not-having. This person can’t stand a ‘not-having’ and now can’t stand it because his interest is so intense in having, and the values he assigns and the penalties which could accrue to him as a result of not-having are so exaggerated that, of course, he can let go of nothing.

Now, if you’re hot enough on this line, it will come true inevitably, because ten minutes before you eat, you’ll make it; it will appear. You get the idea? There… therefore you go up on Postulate Processing and making your own universe, you’re completely independent of present time solution – present time solution.

So what happens when you get somebody who is in grief on the tone scale? Why, it’s very interesting to find that all you have to do is run Step Four and there you are, he’s… he’s… you’ll cure him of it – Step Four. And that is Flow Balancing. It cures his ability to not have.

Don’t… let anybody kid you, that your interest in existence is dependent upon the present time solution, because it’s not.

So all the way up the tone scale you’re just curing people of their abilities to have, alternately, and not have with mock-ups. You… you can’t upset the rate of change of this universe, but you’re not actually working with energy. Your preclear isn’t energy. He’s a capability of producing energy – a space to put it in. So as long as you work with this material on the mock-up side, he goes right on up tone scale.

Most of the things a person is clinging to in the present time solution are not important, because the present time solution has a habit of being very, very badly upset and erronified.

Why? You’re changing his ideas. Thinking, then, actually develops to itself – I told you a little earlier, what one devotes energy to, one has. Or what one devotes energy to, one not has. You devote energy to getting rid of something and that means you’ll have it, or devote energy to having it and that means you… it’ll… you’ll lose it.

You see. The Russians are about to attack you at any minute. The United States is about to attack you at any minute. Um… the amount of bank banditry in uh… Little Keokuk uh… on the 2nd of January has averaged out to the figure of.7623. You’re don’t… don’t even have any money in the bank. What are you interested in a bank account for? Eight robbers were shot today on Rop-Rop Avenue. So what! You weren’t on Rop-Rop Avenue!

Uh… you get an object in other words, which is the reverse vector of what it’s supposed to be, and what do you get here? You get a person’s future track getting solid. That sounds funny to you, but you see, in view of the fact there is no future, he’s changed his rate of change of havingness and he looks at the future and the future itself has taken on a solidity.

But you take that in as assessment of the situation: are we going to have more robbers or less robbers? it looks like we’re going to have more robbers, but the cops said there’d be less robbers, therefore the cops were… It was a good thing the cops were there.

Now this person can’t change his postulates. Why can’t he change his postulates? They’re bogged into energy. He’s making them inside of created energy and he has… he’s actually operating in a more or less solid area when he’s thinking. He’s pushing particles around, so he can’t change his postulates, of course. And any preclear that you get ahold of is going to be unable to some degree to shift his postulates readily. And as a net result, as long as he can’t shift his postulates, he can’t, of course, change his attitude toward anything. And as long as his mind is banked in on the idea that ‘this future is solid’ over here in area ‘Z’, as long as that thing is solid, he’s tried continually to inhibit or advance the rate of change, and it didn’t shift on him. So he… he gets something solid that doesn’t change and this is a mock-up – a symbol for the future. This piece of energy, solid. It’s almost like matter after a while, and you… you’ll find this manifestation very solidly.

Oh, is it? In other words, present time solution! Present time solution!

What do you do, then, with the future? If you can find the f… By the way, look around yourself and… and say, „When I predict something or try to predict something, which way do I look?“ All right, now let’s ‘see’ your future in that direction. Take a look and see if you see your future in that direction, or see what you’ve tried to see in the past, or what you normally run into when you try to see your future. And now turn it red, then turn it blue. Then turn it green. Then turn it white. And then make it get bigger. Then make it get smaller.

What are you interested in? Well, about the level when a person has sunk to the point where they’re only interested in the present time solutions, they’re not interested, they’re frantic. They’re getting to a point where interest is being displaced by fear of penalty, and this all comes about because they use energy with which to think! And that’s… that’s all there is to it.

I’m just giving you the exercise.

And if you were to process this, just… just process this on a pc it’d straighten him out and he’d feel quite a bit better.

Now put it behind you. Now put it into shape of a corkscrew – and that’s G-torsional future havingness now. And turn that purple, and then turn it black. And now put it down here at the corner of the lecture platform. Now tie it up into a bow and put it in a box with a lavender ribbon. Because that’s not your future. That’s a bunch of energy that you’ve gradually built up in an effort to predict the rate of change of havingness. You keep throwing toward rates of change of havingness a certain amount of energy and every single bit of this energy has the artificial and abstract mark on it: ‘future’. And it’s not future energy; it’s present time energy.

Most pc’s have energy deposits around with which their energy to think is deposited. And where is that? Is that in the future? No, that’s not in the future. There isn’t any energy in the future. Is that in the past? No, that’s not in the past. There isn’t any energy in the past.

And as we look down this track here we find out that finally the area of ‘Z’ gets solid and is very easily mistaken for the area of ‘Y’, and then that gets very easily mistaken for – because you see these are all solid objects – the area of ‘X’. You see that?

Well, where is it, then? Well, I will tell you where it is then. It is in present time. And it has a little sign on it and it says, „This is the future.“

So a psychotic, of course, becomes unable to differentiate on the rate of change of havingness because the future is solid; therefore the future is the present; and of course, the only real solidity there is is the past, so naturally it follows he must be in the past. And he is in the gradient scale of these particles which you – many of you… How many of you observed those particles, by the way? Quite a few of you, in other words. There… there is some direction there. Uh… there… there is a mass there somewhere. You just work it, just like you work any other item that you have around.

Now, the person who can’t get it is resisting the future. He’s trying to pull out of the future and he’s got a reverse vector going. He’s more concentrated upon not having the future than he is upon having the future. And if you want him to get to this deposit, simply ask him… ask him uh… „Let’s… let’s try not to have the future. Let’s try to avoid seeing this deposit,“ and so forth. And you’ll get him back and forth.

Uh… you… you have this… this? A lot of your preclears have this. Well, you… you’ve got this, then, a deposit. Now remember that that could be a ‘not have’ deposit. „In the future I won’t have. In the future I won’t have. In the future I won’t have. In the future I won’t have. In the f…“ and all of a sudden, why you haven’t got it. You haven’t got those particles. They’re right there but you haven’t got them. They all got a ‘future’ tag on them, and this says „This is the future and you are about to be butchered by this“ and you know you are perfectly in control of that mass of energy? That’s yours. And by deducting that mass of energy you’re doing the same thing as a mock-up, because you added that to this universe. Therefore, you’re quite at liberty to subtract it.

Now you can always trick your mind… your energy levels in this wise. You can always trick them very satisfactorily by saying, „All right. Now, let’s try not to make it green.“

Now there is where, evidently, your individual goes down tone scale and those levels on the tone scale could be mathematically adjudicated to be on the… units of energy which had become a solid deposit, with the label ‘future’ on them.

You’ve been trying to make this green, trying to make this green. It’s impossible for you to make the green.

How many units of energy have a solid uh… that are in this solid deposit have the label of ‘future’ on them? And you get, then finally, how many… how many uh… units… how much mass is there there. You’re down to 1.5. Boy, that 1.5, „Huh’ The future’s solid.“ He can’t afford to not have in the future so all of his thinking is being devoted not to constructive action as it goes forward, but very destructive action. And he is thinking all the time „Let’s see, I’m holding on to the present here. I’m holding on to the present. Well, I can hold on to the present“ – he’s demonstrated that to himself – therefore, all these not-haves, not-haves, not-haves, not-haves, – and anybody walks in ‘not-have’ – anybody walks up to him, he doesn’t want them. Anything else walks up to him he doesn’t want them. If he decides this, you see, he immediately takes hold of them. Reverse vectors – because he’s a great… he’s a victim of flows, so he winds up by having everything bad and everything good, and he says this is all future. And it’s solid mass.

You say, „Try not to make it green in order to make it green.“

So the future is solid. In Pogo, it says, „Which way is Tuesday?“ and he’s been told very, very emphatically, „Right in front of your face!“ Now that’s… that’s uh… quite pertinent.

You say, „All right. We’ll try not to make it green.“ It’s green – bang!

Here we have, then, the ‘X, Y, Z’ where ‘Y’ would be your present time. And that’s why people begin to believe in linear time, and why their facsimiles begin to haul up and park in quote ‘present time’ because obviously the future is solid, so when you start to address the future, you’re addressing a solid object, obviously. And when you’re addressing this solid object called ‘the future’… You see, he devoted all this energy to thinking about the future, and all that energy is still there in the deposit. And the solider that gets the more it gets like present time. And you’ll get these people saying, as they st… just start down the tone scale „Well, things’ll be pretty much the same in the future as they are now.“ Conservatism. „Everything’s going to be the same as it is now. Nothing’s going to change.“

„All right. Let’s try not to see it. You wanna see it. You know you wanna see it, so you just say, „Try not to see it,“ and bong! It’ll turn up.

What you’re… you’re going to have a rough time with these people unless you know what I’m telling you now. You’re going to have a rough time getting somebody to change a little bit. You’ll be puzzled as to why this preclear won’t change. Well, this preclear won’t change because this preclear can’t change because he knows he’s sitting right there looking at the future. If you were to put a meter on it you would find out that this future was uh… so many ergs of energy, and it was a deposit, and therefore it was a piece of matter. And when he becomes quite psychotic, that piece of ‘future’ has be… he becomes neurotic, the piece of future is the present, because the present is solid. And he… he has to think somewhere in that… that band there. He starts thinking with facsimiles, as I showed you on that graph, that wheel. He thinks with facsimiles; he doesn’t think with postulates.

Because that’s the not-have and the have. You can do those both ways. You can just say, „All right. We won’t uh… we’ll pretend not to do that. Okay, that’s good. We’ve got it now.“ And we can go right on. And it’s a method of handling things.

He doesn’t think „Let’s see“; he doesn’t uh… he doesn’t even say this to himself: „Let’s see, how do I want things?“ No-no. That’s way up. He says, „There will be light. Umm, that’s nice: light. Umm-hmm, enjoy this motion for a while. Well, we can enjoy this. Let’s put some darkness in there,“ and there we go.

But that only goes a very short distance before the person just simply discards it as a crutch. But if you were to ask somebody, „Let’s take a look at your future.“

Now when he gets quite neurotic, the present time, the ti… the energy he’s devoted to present time and trying to keep everything stable in present time, he knows he can’t predict anything out here about the future because he’s got the future right here. And the more he changes these things which are right in front of his face, the more horrible things happen to him as he goes forward into – what future has he substituted for the future? He’s made a time deposit that is a havingness, right there in front of him, and then he tries to change that instead of changing his conditions. Because the conditions which he tries to predict along all eight dynamics demonstrate to him to convince him that they are unchangeable and that they’re inevitable and that the gods do it and he doesn’t do it and nobody does it, that the rate of change, the interrelationship is, of the eight dynamics, unchangeable – by him, but is inevitable and just continues anyway.

The fellow will say, „What do you mean?“

And that is a lot of balderdash, because a fellow can go out and change his future all over the place. It just depends on how much he wants to stay in contact with the existing eight dynamics of the MEST universe, that he will monitor and reduce his ability to change the future, or how much credence he wishes to give to other individuals that he refrains from changing future. And that’s all there is to that. The future becomes a deposit and then that deposit becomes kind of solid, and it is, of course, in present time because it is a state that’s solid and unchanging – it’s a state of unchanging havingness.

„Well, do you have a little… anything around there when you think of the future, you… you see this, or change this or try to make it green or black or white or something of the sort. Do you see anything like it? Do you have anything like it?“

And that goes into the past and the person has got facsimiles in restim and there he sits. And of course, he’s got a piece of energy which he… he’s got it all mixed up with energy that he says is future energy and this is past energy and it’s already happened. That’s agreement with the MEST universe.

„No. No.“

Well, there’s your… there is your dissertation on the tone scale. You can count, then, as a person goes down tone scale, that the future looks more and more unchangeable or solid to him, or inevitable, and that he can be defeated more and more and pain and penalty is more and more there, and desirability is less and less there.

„Well, let’s try to avoid having any future. Just get the thought of avoiding any future. Now, what do you see?“

So up tone scale the future looks desirable because he thinks he can change the rate of havingness. And the present becomes undesirable, gradually, as he finds he isn’t doing it, and the past, then, takes on and absorbs his interest. And as he goes down tone scale you could say that the upper part of the tone scale is the next thousand years for man. The upper part of the tone scale would be the next thousand years and that would be merely the rate of change of havingness and not-havingness in the next thousand years of havingness.

„Well, what do you know,“ he says. „There is one. Yah. Yah. Yah.“ Well, he’s trying not to have anything there in the future. There are things which he’d hate to have happen and he is trying to avoid them happening.

And uh… there the band immediately below that would be the next dozen years. And the band below that would be this coming month. And then there’d be tomorrow. And then there’d be today. And all that’s uncertainty. What’s an uncertainty? An uncertainty is a ‘maybe’ and that’s an indecision and that’s a double flow. And what is a solid piece of matter? A matter is a solid piece of confusion and chaos, and this is double-vectored and, of course, matter itself is the biggest ‘maybe’ there is. Indecision. There is nothing travelling in one direction and there is nothing in alignment, that is chaos. An indecision is… is ‘yes’ going thataway, and ‘no’ going thataway, cancelling each other out and you don’t get any action.

And of course, a person who is way, way, way up tone scale wouldn’t have any such deposit at all. But he wouldn’t be in a body, either.

If you want to see your preclear in a big ‘maybe’, get him something in which he’s very interested, first and foremost thing, and he’s convinced concerning his… his liability for punishment, and uh… you’ve got yourself a mighty confused fellow.

So the mechanism in it is that anybody who can be influenced by the flows is a give, at which time you would say, „Try to avoid the deposit which is the future. Try to avoid the deposit which is the present in thought energy. Try to avoid the deposit which is the past in terms of thought energy.“ And they’ll light up like Christmas trees.

Well as you go down tone scale, he begins to believe that pain-pain- pain-pain-pain, pain consists of force, and the heavier bands predominate on the lower part of the tone scale. Although all bands are there, all the pain is dominant.

And a person who is a TAKE, at „Let’s have it“. Whatever part of the cycle they’re on, let’s just have the… let’s ha… just have the future, let’s not have the future, and you’ve got it.

Now this, then, uh… and up above that… you have to be up above a certain level, then, in order to obtain pleasure, or you have to obtain pleasure of the type that is on the band and the experience of being in the band itself or the operating of the band for its own sake, and using force in it, is, of course, pleasure too. Very odd kind of pleasure.

And what do you do with this? Well, then you turn it green, you turn it pink and you turn it yellow, and you… anything he can do just keep him handling it as energy in present time which has future labels on it, and the thing’ll blow up. All of a sudden he will experience an enormous feeling of relief.

In other words, there’s a lot of pleasure in… in strangling somebody – 1.5 feels. 1.1 would take enormous joy out of the idea of… of uh… he might get an enormous amount of pleasure – he’d have to be interested first and have a conviction that he could do it in order to carry forward this action – in poisoning somebody very adroitly. And if they’re… this person is high on aesthetic – a 1.1 and high on aesthetic… there could be a 1.1 low on aesthetic and a 1.1 high on aesthetic and so forth, and a 1.1 kind of null and neuter. There’s where you get your randomity in personality. It’s just which bands of perception and action will they use. Why, this 1.1 would put the poison in a rose and dip the rose into a wine glass as a touching little gesture so the lover could drink it all down. 1.1 could then say „Oh, dear! What has happened to you? Does your stomach hurt?“ Typical.

Why? Is this energy the future? No, it’s not the future. It is a deposit that is labelled ‘future’ and the deposit exists in present time.

All right, then maybe you understand, then, that the past is solid and the present somewhat nebulously solid, and the future doesn’t exist for the psychotic. ‘Cause for the psychotic the past is solid, and that’s the only solidity he’s got. Why, he can’t pervade any further than his immediate self environment, and that is solid energy. He has no pervasion any further than his own energy. He can’t pervade out into any greater space than that, so he’s dragged down in space, he’s very, very centralized in himself, and there he goes. There you have it.

Is this energy the present that he’s looking at? No, it’s not. It happens to be just a deposit which he calls ‘present time’ and is in present time.

All right, your neurotic finds the present solid and every once in a while convinces himself it’s solid by pinching himself. This he considers his conviction. And he’s still enough under penalty… he’s terribly under penalty so that he can be punished if he doesn’t have this solidity in the present. And your person who is really sane, who is able to think, able to predict the rate of change or cause a rate of change of havingness or not-havingness, is, of course, handling the future. He can not only handle the past, he knows that; he can handle the present, and he can, of course, broadly handle the future, he thinks. And he’s interested is doing so, interested in handling that future.

And is this energy the past? Yep. It’s facsimiles being carted along because he is existing in a dependent state upon his facsimiles. ‘Cause he knows he has to have experience. He goes down to get a job so that he could feed the body.

Now the volume of effort that he will put into the future depends upon his amount of interest in the future. So if you have a person on… high on the tone scale who is sitting on Mount Olympus doing absolutely nothing, and a person who is fairly high on the tone scale with terrific amounts of randomity all over the shop, still high on the tone scale, but in action with regard to the future, and you’re getting a difference of what? You’re getting a difference of rate of change for the individual.

He has to put the body at a desk so that the body can then be paid, and then the body can eat, so that it could be put at a desk, of course. And uh… nice and circular ambition, you see? So, he goes through this whole situation and when he gets through with it, he knows very well that he has a body, and uh… he’s very definitely dependent on flows, isn’t he?

Fellow on Olympus is at no different point on the tone scale. He just doesn’t have as much interest in it as the fellow who is in action. And the interest doesn’t happen to be psychotic or neurotic or anything of the sort. It doesn’t matter what you’re interested in or how much you’re interested in it; it does matter how well you’re able to handle something after you get interested in it.

Well, the… the dependence… his dependency upon flows is… is… his utter dependency on experience is a dependency on flows.

That is the thing that parents find wrong with children. The child will be interested in chemistry and want a chemistry set. He’s very interested in chemistry and he gets a chemistry set and he’s still very interested in chemistry, but his ability to estimate the rate of change of havingness on the thing is kind of bad. And he starts to run into a not-have, the second he gets this ‘have.’ And of course reverse vectors start to hit him and he’s no longer interested in it. Hmmm!

The fellow who says, „Well, let’s see. Experience is very important, terribly important,“ ought to modify it this way: „Experience is terribly important to people in a body who are thinking in terms of flows. Then good experience becomes extremely important, because when they put out energy in the direction of their flows, then good experience will come back in and they will do the right thing. And we have a good puppet and an excellent marionette, and this is therefore what we want.“

Well, the parents say, well, he ought to continue and be constant in their interest. And the reason they ought to do so is because parents don’t change, do they?

So, the fellow who gets this job to put the body at a desk so the body can be paid, so that the body can eat, so that he could put it at the desk, so that it could be paid, so that he can eat – is always asked this question: „How much experience do you have? Is it good experience or bad experience? Or is it some other kind of experience? Well, experience – experience…“

And they consider this a great virtue. Unchangingness is NOT a virtue, And you start to hit a society and change it too often in the field of objects, and it will rebel. But uh… you can change objects all over the place.

They don’t realize that at… somewhere in the career of everybody, you get a reversing vector. You get this fellow with wonderful references, just rave notices – he leaves with the boss’s wife and all the dough in the cash drawer.

Some of the old-time pilots used to change objects from coast to coast and around the world and that sort of thing, and everybody was tremendously, vastly interested. Why? Well, the rate of change was very fast. And it was above their level of rate of change, and somebody seemed to be able to get rid of this, and away with this rate of change, so they got very interested in it. Why? Well, they… they wanted a higher rate of change themselves, but they didn’t dare have a r… higher rate of change themselves. So they got very interested in that line.

If this fellow has been exceptionally good, and exceptionally honest, that is the best reason in the world to believe that sooner or later this guy is going to be the foulest crook that ever lived!

Well, your old-time pilot could do that, but let’s take somebody who starts changing very close to the static level. I… I’ve been shifting things around close to the static level like mad, by just the change of growth. Of course, an idea doesn’t grow; you just get more and more certain on a certain level and it can be associated with rate of changes of havingness and not havingness more closely. And the first thing you know, you can either exist in the static level or you can exist in the energy flow level – either way. People get upset because you change ideas; in that level they get more upset, about it. They really get upset because they’re looking at a static. They… they’ve got a ghosty idea that there must be a static there, ‘cause it’s theta, isn’t it? And it’s probably motionless. That’s right; it’s motionless.

And it’s… it’s not monitored, then, by experience. What they’re searching for in all these factors is just this one thing, is: how much energy is this person using with which to think? Now if you can establish how much energy he uses to think, you’ll establish how important it is for him to have experience. Because if he doesn’t use any energy to think at all, it’s not even vaguely important for him to have experience, but boy, would he be valuable in an airplane plant.

But when it enters into the field of energy, it demonstrates the fact that it’s not motionless and that there’s a motion connected with it. They get very confused.

He has no experience whatsoever. He goes around to the airplane plant, and he says, „Hey uh…“ Uh… you say… why, the… that boy could draw down much more than any president of any corporation in the United States in terms of MEST, but the trouble is, nobody’d ever be able to pay him unless he was interested. The only pay would be interest.

The one thing you’re not supposed to do is change your mind. You can change almost anything else, but don’t change your mind, for God’s sakes! You’ll find that in more banks!

He would go around. Why? Because after the plant had manufactured the airplane and had it all beautifully manufactured and everything else, they wanted to know whether or not this plane would fly, this fellow could simply take a look at the airplane and say, „Yeah, it’ll fly.“ „No, that one won’t fly.“ „Uh, that one’s got something wrong with its motor. It’s the lower side of its motor won’t function. Uh… there were two mechanics had a fight out on the right wing tip, and there is a strut cracked out there or a strut will crack out there, and you had better replace that.“ You would practically have uncrackable airplanes. Why?

Now, your tone scale, then, is also an estimation of how long it’s going to take to change the future estimates of this individual. Of course, the lower on the tone scale, the longer it’s going to take. Why? You take the same process, you’re getting more and more factors entering into it which are varying the matter involved. The energy has turned into matter, to a large extent, and there we have it.

Well, he could just simply pervade through the airplane and he’d sort of feel around in the airplane, and… and… and he’d know what the future of the airplane was. And if it didn’t have a good future, if your fellow was really good, why, if it didn’t have a good future at all, he would merely say, „You will have a good future now, airplane.“ It sounds crazy. But you’re actually moving out from simply causation in the future to causing future.

So, here, then, is perhaps a better understanding of what you’re looking at when you look at the state of a preclear. He’s trying to hold himself up by being interested in one dynamic maybe, or another dynamic. He isn’t interested broadly in all the dynamics. You can lead him with interest into almost anything. You can! You can lead anything. You can lead nations to destruction. You can lead planets to hell and back with the loopiest subject matter imaginable so long as an interest level is maintained.

And you still have a ghost of this in witch’s curses and earth still remembers these things. No matter how dimly they might be, they s… they still recall ‘em. Curses and damnations and good gifts and, „You may now have three wishes,“ the fairy says. Sure, he can give away three wishes, any fairy can give away three wishes. So could you. But I’d think before you give away three wishes, I think you’d better be able to give yourself three wishes, and I think that would be a good thing, and it isn’t necessary for you to sit down and wish hard. It isn’t how hard one wishes that counts, as they teach a child. It’s how lightly one wishes, and how interested he is in having that for which he wished. So, you see what our three wishes would amount to in terms of… in terms of postulates.

Let’s take sound solid subject matter which is a very tight, close evaluation of the situation, and subtract the interest from it. Let’s not make it colorful. Then your people who are really spinny don’t pay any attention to it. Why? Well, they haven’t got any interest in it because they can’t associate that with something else, and they can only identify. And they can obey force and that’s about all.

Well, look at no-energy up there on the track and you’ll find this fellow’d be very light-hearted and very serene and he could be quite intense if he were interested – if he were interested.

So, you can walk straight through a society and as long as you do not introduce anything interesting in the material, you can tear it to pieces. But you introduce something like ‘74 trillion years old’, some magazine pick it up. It’s interesting – it becomes interesting. That’s truth. That’ll go around. People will begin to wonder, „Well, that’s nonsense!“ or „How’s this?“ but they wonder why Time’s printing it and so on, and get upset about this. You’ve introduced a level of interest.

But you can be as intense with an upper band as you can a lower band wave. You can use very light energy to accomplish ENORMOUS things. It’s only with a very heavy energy that you can’t accomplish a doggone thing.

Well, from that point on it can start to get uh… a little bit hectic because your interest level starts increasing. Well, boy, when interest level starts to increase, you had better be – as I once was not – very well located on a static as far as ideas are concerned. „You do so forth-and-so-and-so.“ In other words, the non-motion thing called an idea shouldn’t be subject too much to change. And so you ought to have a good, broad, workable, precise body of knowledge which sits there and will sit there and which will endure and which is not subject to misinterpretation, because why? It has a workable, routine, easily understood application.

Just… just try and accomplish anything by telling somebody what to do, forcefully. You do that often enough and customarily enough, and you eventually won’t get anything done.

And the second you do this, then if you start stirring up interest in the society at large, interest, and you’ve got a static idea that society can shift. When I can say that a world can be led to hell and back with interest, you can package anything, no matter what garbage – anything – and cloak it in certain tones and it will be bought – without question!

Be a much happier thing to be at the stage of the tone scale, where you simply knew they would do it.

Scholarly language is simply a method of toning up straight corn. People buy in the field of sciences, not knowledge or truth, they buy tone scale. And they feel that science should be at 3.0 on the tone scale. There is just that much estimation of the rate of change of havingness. „And whereas we don’t take any real responsibility for this, it has occasionally been stated and so on…“ They buy tone scale.

Did you ever go around and say to somebody, „Well, we know that you’ll do that,“ and so on, and just leave them stuck with that? You’ve actually laid a postulate on top of ‘em.

The… is… this is, perhaps, not as… as completely hilarious to anybody as it is to a writer. A writer can look at this and it isn’t something that amazes him. He’s been doing this for a long time. „How does Professor Blink talk in the story?“ The writer knows. He establishes tone scales all over the place, up and down and back and forth and around and around. He has to, to have any randomity of characterization. He has to characterize people as people think they know people. A writer doesn’t write about how people are; he writes about how people think people ought to be when they are written about.

Well, a little bit higher than that is, you just KNOW all of a sudden. You just have a conviction in energy terms. You just know the waitress is going to walk to the other side of the dining room. She does.

Dialogue is not what people say, but the things people think people should say when written about. Highly conditional. And so we could get out a book under some guise by just – on any subject under the sun, any subject – and if it were properly written on the right level of the tone scale, believe me it could become THE tome on the subject. All you’d have to do is study style.

You kind of know here and know there and you know this and you know that, and nothing happens.

What the hell has an aesthetic got doing, walking in on knowledge? Beware of knowledge which is too well-dressed in an aesthetic. Knowledge is that thing from which you should be able to deduce, acquire and abandon aesthetics. If you are in a high level of truth, you can acquire or jettison aesthetics by the skillions, because to that interest may be added. But if you are in an aesthetic alone and you find there nothing but an aesthetic? ‘Cause what is a piece of writing but an aesthetic? Even… even though it appears in the ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA it has, or not has, a certain aesthetic balance.

You can’t get down and pitch with flows very long before you come down below that level again. Energy flows are very dangerous to use. Even communication flows basically trap you in and you have to bail yourself out.

Do you know that there’s enormous room in this world for a good data encyclopedia? „How do you make penicillin? You make penicillin by…“ Not… not uh… uh… „in the early days of chemical research, it was suspected that, when certain bacteria were bacteriarized, they were so bacteriarized that the bacteriological bacteriazation took place almost instantaneously. But later on they found out they could drag it out a bit. And Professor Wumph said, although this is controverted by Professor Battleboof, that the earlier suppositions regarding this subject were not supported by the ancient Greek. Of course, when we have studied more deeply into this subject…“ You poor boob! You couldn’t understand this subject. We have to interpret it for you, you boob! Uh… that’s not in there in print. That’s just there. Uh… when you get through you say, „How the hell do you make this stuff?!“

I’m always having to sit down and run out… and pull myself uptrack one way or the other. But, of course, I’ve never used any energy with which to think. And the only reason I’m telling you about this, I’m telling you about this is almost… it’s all extrapolated, but it’s almost a new discovery, although I’ve been kidding about it for two-and-a-half years.

That used to torture me because I was manufacturing the wherewithal and the havingness in this society necessary to the production of Dianetics and Scientology and the study of the mind. There wasn’t anybody else going to throw any money into this. I had to throw money into this, so I made the money to throw it into it.

I just put a few attention units down in the GE to find out if the GE could think, and I found the GE thinking. He was thinking. I thought that was wonderful. I thought it was so cute.

Well, I ca… you can always make money. That… that’s the easiest stuff in the world to make. Sometimes you get a little bit short. For a few weeks, why, you’re chewing shoe leather or something uh… like Charlie Chaplain did when he ate his shoe, and so on. But uh… what the score is in any one of these aesthetics is that there’s either data or there’s an aesthetic.

But if any of this stuff had to be THOUGHT about lengthily and so forth, nothing would have happened. The only place where it had to be thought about is: compare it. You compare one flow to another flow, you’d have to kind of mock up a couple of flows and hook them together, and uh… you think about this, and think about that. That’s what’s known as ‘inductive thought’. But you’re not operating, and you can’t operate in order to investigate something; you can’t operate from the basis of postulating to make it so, ‘cause then you can’t investigate it. You see how silly that would be. That… that’s just gruesome. How could you investigate anything if you were postulating all the time?

Now if you simply sit there – you’re not trying to teach Scientology, you’re not trying to tell anybody about Scientology – but you are merely using Scientology either to put an industry on its feet or put preclears together, your rate of change of havingness and not-havingness to a large degree depends upon your aesthetic, not the exposition of your knowledge.

In other words, it’d be impossible to find out anything by carrying on investigation which is car… occasionally called ‘scientific’. See?

Your havingness and not-havingness, then, is changed by the interest level which is elicited towards you, and interest is invited by aesthetics, not by knowledge.

You postulate what the conclusion will be. You’ll find scientists, by the way, are hipped on this. They’ve still have got an aberration on the subject. They’re afraid to think what the conclusion will be for fear the conclusion will be that, and they will then be swayed by the conclusion. And here these fellows with one-sixteenth of one grasshopper-power brain cell left with which to postulate… t… they could make a postulate at a ping pong ball and the ping pong ball would stay right there. It wouldn’t go any place. And yet these fellows are very careful not to make a conclusion before they finish their experiment. They’re getting away from a fear which has now become impossible.

That’s why there are so few who will ever learn this subject. Really, there are very few out of all the beings there are.

There’s nothing wrong whatsoever with saying, „Well, the way this thing is going to work out is this way,“ and then mixing up the MEST universe ingredients this way and that way and finding out it works some other way.

You can take this knowledge – if you know this knowledge well, you do not have to parade this knowledge. You can teach people the knowledge. If you do that, for God’s sakes, just teach ‘em data more or less like I do. The amount of interest that I’ve put into this is very minor – very minor really. Make a wisecrack once in a while, throw some randomity in – don’t do very… very much. Give ‘em data – tha… that’s what’s important if you’re teaching.

You say, „Well, it didn’t work that way.“

But if you’re practicing, don’t give anybody any data at all. They say, „I hear that you think that so-and-so.“

„All right. We’ll postulate that this is going to work this way, and then we’re going to mix all these things up together and they’ll work some other way.“

And you say, „You do? Well, there’s no accounting for people, what they hear. Now people,“ then you look at them searchingly, „people who have a great thirst for beauty and love and that sort of thing, often invite into themselves information of a kind which is… they’re afraid will be true. And do you know that they will often hold to themselves data that… for fear other people will be hurt by it?“

And you would say, „Ah, to hell with that.“

And the patient will look at you and say, „That’s sweet!“

Uh… that would be sensible, because sooner or later you would come either to an apathy about the whole thing and skip it, or you’d find something which, when mixed up that way would accomplish the result which you postulated. Well, you’ve given cause to the MEST universe, that’s what would happen.

You… you look into this preclear’s eyes and say, „Yes, you… you’ve had a thirst for human love, haven’t you?“ I mean, you talk about obvious data. They jus… just take this tone scale and take a look at the girl. This tone scale is lying here under the blotter and you can only see in that direction, see. And it says… it says, „Apathy: Relatively uncontrolled anxi…“ You wouldn’t be able to talk to her uh… too much. Uh… here: „Capable of destructive action, psychotic, depository.“ „Oh, no. Let’s get up higher. „Boredom: Relatively inactive but capable of action.“ She comes in, boy, is she a bored… a bored character. And uh… yet so-and-so and so-and-so. It’s right cr… across the line. Put the aesthetic band on this thing: „Boredom: Normal, neurotic, halfway between, occasionally ill, susceptible to usual diseases.“

All right, now let’s look at the preclear in terms of energy and he has decided he is an effect of everything. And I was thinking about this Egyptian cult that… white was cause and black was effect. And if you were half black and half white, you were all right because then you were half cause and half effect and you were the effect of your own cause if you were that, and if you looked at the future and found the future black, the future would be an effect. But, if you looked at the future and found the future white, then the future would be cause. But, that was better to have the future cause than to have the future effect. So, what you tried to get was look and see a WHITE FUTURE. How do you like that one? You had to look and see a white future. And if you saw a black future that was bad, and you should abandon that course of action immediately, if you saw a black future.

„Well, you’ve… you’ve often regarded yourself, I am sure, as average in health, haven’t you?“

What the devil are they monitoring? Well, the funny part of it is, it has a workability. They’ve just aligned all the facsimiles which gave the experience of badness, up, and then hooked ‘em up to a circuit which has a flashboard on it, and that flashboard says ‘Black!’ That means, „These thoughts are passing through bad experience, don’t monkey with it.“ And a white flashboard which simply says, „These thoughts are passing through good experience and so the chances of them taking place are very good.“

„Yes – yes I have!“

It’s not very reliable, because it depends on an automaticity of flashboards. But if you want to do intuitive or instantaneous thinking with flows, that’s the way they’re rigged. You see the future is black, or you see the future is white, recognize, for the love of Pete, in yourself or your preclear, if you’re not seeing the future and you still know you are affected by flows, you’re just trying to avoid that sight or perception in some fashion.

„Uh… and really your… your interest in life has vacillated to a large degree between indifference and boredom, hasn’t it?“

All right, let’s look this over then, and we’ve… possibly this is one of the ingredients of occlusion. They made implants in people about this at one time or another, by the way. And uh… you just turn… you don’t run an implant, you just turn the future white, and you turn the future black, and you turn the future purple and then you put some red crosses on it, and then you turn Saturday green. And then you turn these other things this way, and then shift them this way and that way, and then put the future behind your head. And let’s see if you can find the present – what the sum of energy is of the deposit called the present. And that isn’t out here, that’s just right in front of your face, practically, or maybe it’s your body. Uh… anyway, you turn the present white, and then turn it green, and then turn it purple and turn it yellow. And you’d probably be able to park it some place or another by finding another present and postulating it there. Who knows?

„Well, that’s… that’s right.“

And uh… the… the past, as I say again, would be a very heavy deposit, because that’s all composed of facsimiles.

„Yes, I know. I know it very well that… how this thing is, ‘cause life isn’t very interesting, when it really comes down to that. One can certainly agree on that – it’s terribly uninteresting. It’s a terrible bore. Awful bore, isn’t it? Dreadful.“

BUT there is a little light deposit that says, „We’ve got to think about the past,“ and that’s the… the deposit accumulated of having to think hard about the past. And you turn it red, and you turn it green, and you turn it blue and you turn it purple. And you try to avoid seeing it, and you avoid seeing it, and you turn it orange and,. and you put it under the left foot.

And they say, „Boy, you know this guy’s right in there pitching with me.“ He just looks across and you’re agreeing with him.

‘Cause what is it? It’s your own energy which you’re holding onto, by which you’re trying to estimate change of havingness in the future.

„Now you… you’ve felt this withdrawal from people for some time. haven’t you?“

A person who tries to estimate change of havingness… rate of change of havingness in the future, by comparing it to the past is gonna fall flat every time.

„How’d you know I withdrew from…?“ „Well…“ „I really don’t, you know. It’s just that they bore me.“

That is why law is such an interesting profession. Because law depends almost wholly upon precedent, rather than justice or chancery, anything. Precedent, precedent, precedent, precedent. The past is good. The past is good. The past is good. The past is good. The past is good.

„Well, that’s right. But people are very uninteresting. One can’t be blamed for that, can one?“

And, of course, it moves with incredible slowness. It has enormous heavy massive tomes and buildings and courts, and… and there’re the guys that practice it uh… in terms of police and that sort of thing, they get heavy and everything is slow, and they have to stop motion, and hold it and so forth.

„No, no!“

Naturally, because they’re running on the principle: the precedent, the precedent, the precedent, the precedent, the precedent, the precedent. And that means the past is the measure by which we measure the future.

Uh… now we’ll go along here… „Uh… the routine ordinary humdrum life that one leads is, of course, a good safeguard against all this.“

You cannot take the laws of Holland in the year 1213 and pick them up and apply ‘em against Holland in 1952. It cannot be done! And you can’t take the laws of 1928 in the United States, and apply them to the United States in 1952. Different year.

„Yes, I’ve found it so.“

I know this comes as a shock and surprise to many of the governmental agencies, but it’s not 1928.

Agreement, agreement, agreement… Let’s just go right across the boards here and we find out that uh… „Disinterest in procreation; vague tolerance of children.“ Huh! In other words, you can just make it up – „Insincere, careless of facts.“ Well, what do you know? You’re talking to a 2.5. Careless of facts.

Now, being down the time track is simply trying hard… down the time track is trying hard to agree with the past so that the present will go all right. If you agree with past experience then the present will go all right. And of course that’s a completely dippy one and brings about insanity, and everybody does it.

You say, „Well, the appointment began at 2:30“ – it didn’t. The appointment began at 3:15. They’ll say, „All right, it began at 2:30,“ – doesn’t matter – „ and it continued until 5:30“ – they’re not interested in anything. And these people, of course, are very easy to take things away from so you simply say, „Well, that fee for this session now…“ patting them sympathetically on the hand a little bit, but not as sympathetically as you’d pat somebody way, way down tone scale here, see. You really pat somebody down around… pat a 1.5 on the hand sympathetically some time. They just go „Slurp“; they’re Just people who have driven away every possible thing that they really want, and you show them a little bit of sympathy „Well, It’s pretty rough, carrying the world on your back kind of, you know? And getting things along and trying to get people to do things. Overcoming these various inertias and so on. That’s pretty rough. Yeah.“

Let’s agree with experience and have nothing to do with the postulate.

Oh, boy! That guy will just empty out his soul in great big coal buckets. Why you…

Well, I talk quite a bit about this because it’s possibly for you an analysis of what Postulate Processing is. It’s trying to get far enough uptone, which is to say use and be influenced by energy so slightly, and be in control of it so s… forcefully and so heavily, and be able to go up so high above any necessity to need it, that one simply says, „Let there be light.“ That’s your theoretical level.

But you’re not interested in that to any great degree. But is… what is the aesthetic? The aesthetic isn’t knowledge, it’s putting it to use. And it’s the amount of interest which we’ll be given to you because you know. And that’s about all there is to it.

So, you have a process in this in asking the preclear to find these levels and turn them red, blue, green and wink. You’ll find out you’ll solve a lot of his troubles when you do that. ‘Cause all he’s really interested in is: „What is going to happen to me?“

When doing mock-ups, you find in following this material along and in matching up the interest in aesthetics of people, and keeping them marching on up that your cases wall keep advancing.

And you see, what was going to happen to him in 1913, as adjudicated by what happened to him in 1912, is not good experience to measure what happened to him in 1952, and even the experience what happened to him in 1832 has no bearing, really, on what happens to him in 1952. And yet we’ll find him making it so. You’ll find him adding this up.

This chart can help you and I hope this data about Time helps you an awful lot, because it’s going to help an awful lot of people if you use it. Let’s take a break.

„Let’s see, in 1832 we had a cylinder of this size and it was used for a hay mow. Now, automobiles have cylinders. And therefore I can’t fix an automobile engine. And the reason for this was, is my father back there in the 19th century didn’t like this thing he used in the hay mow. He couldn’t handle it and once it fell on the calf. And I liked the calf, so therefore automobiles are no good.“ A=A=A=A would be a past time engram kicking in because of the geometric similarity of form, and that’s all there is to that.

Well, I’ve actually just beat this thing to death as far as that’s concerned. I could give you an awful lot of… of examples of processing one way or the other… and I probably should.

There’s the Positive and Negative approach to processing; there’s trying not to have the engram, and trying to have the engram. There are four flows really. And there’s trying not to have the engram, and trying to have the engram. And there’s trying to restrain oneself from not having the engram, and trying to restrain oneself from having the engram. In both of which cases, one is trying to have the engram, trying not to have the engram. Four flows. A halt on trying to have clear on over to a halt on trying not to have, to trying not to have. it’s a gradient scale itself.

Now uh… let’s see here, would uh… well, let’s… let’s… let’s find out, let’s… I… I… I… let’s sit down. I am not going to give you anything very rough – nothing very rough. You… you can… you can estimate now what your havingness is in terms of the future because of this process in terms of the present.

PC: (Chuckles).

LRH: Now, what… what… how is this going to alter your havingness in the future? It won’t.

PC: I don’t think so.

LRH: That’s right. That is what I figured. No change.

Okay, now let’s look in front of your face there for a moment and let’s see if you can see anything even vaguely resembling energy as a deposit.

PC: It’s blackness. Plain blackness.

LRH: There’s a lot of blackness there, huh?

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Uh… it’s easy to get that?

PC: It’s fairly easy.

LRH: Uh… well, now is that blackness uh… past, present or future?

PC: A combination. I think mostly past.

LRH: Uh… it… the blackness is past?

PC: Uh-hum.

LRH: Okay. Yeah, let’s take a look there to see if we can see anything even vaguely resembling a uh… color or a darkness and so on that might be present.

PC: I don’t think I’d be able to tell the difference.

LRH: Hum. No, don’t confirm these theories that way. That… that’s not… not good. You… you realize… you realize how much a newspaper reporter – sad to say, if we ever had him on an E-Meter, and found out all he could think of was rape or something.

All right, just uh… take hold of the cans here. And I guess have to ask the little handy jim-dandy meter. You don’t have to have mitt on there. That’s a beautiful mitt. Volney is… thinks that this will blow out, and he’ll think it does all sorts of things, and as a of fact it won’t. I… I can’t hurt one.

Okay, let’s take a look if you don’t mind too much here, and find out what tone scale. There we go; why you’re in pretty good tone, alive, breathing.

Okay, what’s that deposit you’ve got there? Is that past? Is that present? Future? It’s not the future.

What about the future? Something wrong with the future.

PC: Too many obstacles.

LRH: Too many obstacles in the future? All right. Get your eyes there for a moment. Let’s look around and see the obstacles. Can you see them? Are they visible?

PC: On a reality basis, no.

LRH: You don’t see them?

PC: Uh-hum.

LRH: Well, okay, that is all right. If you don’t see ‘em, you don’t see ‘em. Got it?

Let’s take a look at the… at the past again. You know, that’s just plain murder, you sit there and look at a theta bop – you’re trying to do something else obviously. You realize you’ve got a theta bop.

PC: I have?

LRH: Oh, that’s a rough deal. Be careful not to make a postulate about it.

PC: All right. I won’t do that.

LRH: All right, too many obstacles in the future.

Well, let’s uh… take a look at that blackness in front of your face there, and let’s put a little ring of whiteness around it.

PC: All right.

LRH: Got a little ring of white ness around it?

PC: Yeah. Urn-hum.

LRH: Well, put a white dot in the center of it, too.

PC: Okay.

LRH: All right. No turn it black again.

PC: All right.

LRH Now, let’s see if you could turn it white, all of it.

PC: Gray.

LRH: Gray? Good enough.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Now, turn it back a little darker gray.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Now, a little bit lighter gray.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Now, let’s get it down to… to quite black again.

PC: I can’t get it too black.

LRH: That’s all right. Just toward black. And uh… now let’s get it up the line toward a bright gray.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Now, let’s get it down to a dark gray.

PC: All right.

LRH: Now, let’s roll it up the line to a… a little bit more toward white than before.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Do you have a feeling like you’re holding that off or holding it in?

PC: Holding it off.

LRH: You feel like you are holding it off?

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: How about holding it in?

PC: It’s standing still.

LRH: It’s standing still.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: You’ve got it in balance? All right, let’s turn it to a, uh… by the way, is there a matching one behind your head?

PC: I don’t… I don’t know. It’s hard to tell.

LRH It seems… okay. Okay. I just want to know.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Uh… now let’s see this white one in front of your face.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Got that white still, or grayish?

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Have you got it white this time?

PC: Grayish-white now. It’s fairly white.

LRH: Well, let’s turn it darker.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Now, let’s turn it lighter.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Now, let’s put a little tinge of red in It. Put a tinge of red in that grayness. Let’s just get a little…

PC: I must not like red or something.

LRH: It’s not like red?

PC: I must not like it.

LRH: Oh, well, I don’t blame you. How about getting a little tinge of green going through it.

PC: All right.

LRH: Hum. Okay. Got a little tinge of green going through it? Well, let’s turn it back to white, whitishness now.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Now, let’s turn it back to reddishness. Any tiny little flick or impression of it being red. Let’s try not to get it red now.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Did it get red? It did?

PC: Slightly.

LRH: Oh, well, what do you know. All right. Let’s turn it green.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: All right, let’s try not to turn it red again.

PC: All right.

LRH: And let’s turn it green.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Now, can you increase the intensity of that greenness?

PC: A little.

LRH: All right. Now let’s decrease it.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Now, let’s decrease it way down till it turns a sort of a whitish, muddy color.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: All right, let’s turn It down toward black.

PC: I got it.

LRH: Well, let’s turn it into a black curtain.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Now, let’s turn it into a black curtain with little spots of white in it.

PC: All right.

LRH: Now, let’s turn it uh… whitish as a curtain.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Now, let’s make its t… texture silky.

PC: All right.

LRH: Now, let’s just start taking curtains off the e… edge of it or the face of it furthest away from you and throw them away. Let’s have a whole stack of curtains there In front of you all white, and whitish silky curtains and start throwing ‘em away. What happens when you do that?

PC: Uh… I’m peeling them but they have… I’m having a difficult time peeling them off.

LRH: Well, just… just loosen the corners this time.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Now, let’s loosen another corner.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Now, let’s loosen another corner.

PC: All right.

LRH: And now, let’s install a flutter device that sort of uh… flutters them. Make them flutter a little bit. Just make them ripple a trifle.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Now, let’s fill them full of glue and let’s make sure there’s glue but for… all through there – good heavy glue. And let’s perceive this glue in there. Well, just get the feeling like it’s glued.

PC: All right.

LRH: Have you got the feeling about them glued on?

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: All right. Now make them glued on tighter.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: And make them glued down much tighter.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: All right. Now let’s just decrease the glueyness of them a little.

PC: All right.

LRH: Let’s increase the glueyness of them a trifle.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Now let’s decrease it a little more.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Now, let’s make ‘em good and gluey. Oh, really make those things sticky now.

PC: I’m having a difficult time holding the uh…

LRH: Well, let’s try not to hold it now. Now, let’s hold it again. Let’s get it very sticky. Now, let’s reach out and pull the furthest white curtain away now.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: And another one.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Now, let’s go and get about 15 or 20 white curtains and let’s plaster ‘em on this thing – the back of it.

PC: All right.

LRH: Now, let’s stick them on there heavily. Now, let’s get about 500 more. Plaster ‘em all over your body. Lots of ‘em. Oh, but the tonnage.

PC: All over me but they’re not coming toward me.

LRH: Where are they going?

PC: Out to the left.

LRH: They’re going out to the left?

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Well, pour ‘em out to the left – lots of ‘em. Enforce that line. Got ‘em going real good?

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Now, let’s speed it up. Now, let’s slow It down. Did you slow it down a little bit?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Let’s speed it up a whole lot. Now, let’s slow it way down and stop it… Did you get that?

PC: Ummmm.

LRH: Did you get ‘em stopped? Well, just speed them up again.

PC: They’re just changing again.

LRH: Huh?

PC: It’s changing.

LRH: What’s changing?

PC: I don’t see the curtains.

LRH: The curtains are gone?

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Oh, no. Now turn that… turn that deposit black in front of your face. Got it real good?

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Now, let’s put another deposit of black on it.

PC: All right.

LRH: And another deposit of black on it.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: And let’s put much more in the way of black deposits on it.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: And let’s cover the whole thing with tar.

PC: All right.

LRH: All right. Now let’s… let’s wrap it around the head real tight in so it won’t get away. Can’t you tie those things down on the head?

PC: No, they stay away.

LRH: They stay away?

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Well, how far is it away from you?

PC: About 10-20 feet.

LRH: Way out there?

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Is it all black out there?

PC: Just a black spot.

LRH: Well, is that all?

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Well, turn it green.

PC: All right.

LRH: Turn it purple.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Turn it yellow.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Why don’t you put it over about 10 feet.

PC: All right.

LRH: Why don’t you put it up about five feet.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Why don’t you put it down about 10 feet.

PC: All right.

LRH: Why don’t you put it on top of the door down below as you come into the lobby.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Now, why don’t you glue it down there.

PC: All right.

LRH: Okay. Let’s put another black spot out in front of you now.

PC: All right.

LRH: Let’s put that one down on top of the door.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Let’s get another one and put that down on top of the door.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: And now, let’s get a white spot out there’ in front of you.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: And put that down in front of the door.

PC: All right.

LRH: And uh… now let’s put all of those black spots in last… an hour ago. Got it?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Hold that Okay. Now, let’s be two feet behind your head…

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Got it. Okay. Now, let’s take a look at the front of your forehead – now the inside of your forehead… What do you see?

PC: Nothing.

LRH: Nothing there? Okay. Now let’s uh… put a little anchor ball out in front of you – an anchor point.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Hold it steady.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Did you hold it steady?

PC: Fairly steady.

LRH: Sort of steady?

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: It doesn’t hold completely steady. Well, let’s put one behind your back at the same time.

PC: I don’t know that I’m doing that.

LRH: Okay, now let’s take all of the nice fellows you ever knew.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Got ‘em all? Do you see them out front?

PC: No.

LRH: All right, let’s take a house that you’ve lived in.

PC: All right.

LRH: Got that house?

PC: Pretty well.

LRH: Okay, now let’s move it over about a foot.

PC: All right.

LRH: Now, let’s move it back about a foot.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Now, let’s turn it upside down.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Let’s turn it right side up.

PC: All right.

LRH: Let’s put it behind your back.

PC: All right.

LRH: Let’s change it somewhat.

PC: All right.

LRH: Put it above your head.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Let’s put it out in front of you.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Let’s put about four more houses out there.

PC: All right.

LRH: Now, let’s take the last one you put out there and ram it into the body you have right there. Pick it up, push it into the body.

PC: Uh…

LRH: What happens when you do that?

PC: There’s a black line In front of the houses.

LRH: There’s a black line?

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Okay, put one of those houses way away from you.

PC: All right.

LRH: Put another one way away from you.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Put all four away from you.

PC: All right.

LRH: Now, mock up a whole big… mock up a whole big circle of those houses. Did you get a circle of ‘em around you?

PC: Yeah, but they’re floating.

LRH: They are floating? All right. Now just send them away from you.

PC: All right.

LRH: All right. Let’s mock up another circle of them and send those away.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Well, now let’s just mock up all around you and above you and below you houses of various descriptions, no matter how big their detail is – just mock up lots of them in a 360-degree sphere.

PC: All right.

LRH: All right. Let those go away from you.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Got ‘em?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Keep ‘em going. Is there any area they don’t leave from easily?

PC: Uh… directly in front of me.

LRH: They don’t leave directly in front of you. Well, mock up four or five there and slam those into the body… What happens with those now?

PC: I don’t see them.

LRH: They’re gone?

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: They disappeared?

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Well, for heaven sakes, mock up about five more out there.

PC: All right.

LRH: Turn em red.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Turn ‘em yellow.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Turn ‘em blue.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Put ‘em behind your back.

PC: All right.

LRH: Put ‘em in front of your face.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Put ‘em behind your back.

PC: All right.

LRH: Put ‘em underneath you.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Put ‘em above you.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Push ‘em all together into one house.

PC: All right.

LRH: Now, take that one house and start pulling off of it all kinds of houses, various assorted descriptions of houses and throw ‘em out around you. What’s happening?

PC: I don’t know, I get an awful confusion of things now.

LRH: Oh, you do?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, just keep pulling those houses out and stacking houses around you now… Can you do that?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Now let’s just take all of those houses and let ‘em move away from you.

PC: All right.

LRH: All right. Let’s mock up every dwelling in which you’ve lived for the last Lord knows how long – any duration of time – and mock ‘em all up around you in all different directions… Make you nervous?

PC: Slightly.

LRH: Well, turn ‘em all red.

PC: Yep.

LRH: Turn ‘em all blue.

PC: All right.

LRH: Let ‘em be any color they please.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Uh… move ‘em all away from you.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Mock up another set similar to them… Mock them all up again.

PC: I can’t get houses anymore.

LRH: You can’t get houses?

PC: Uh-uh.

LRH: Mock up one house. One little tiny house and put it on your knee… One little tiny house and put it on your knee, got that?… What’s happening?

PC: It’s just this big black spiralling mass in front of me, whatever it is.

LRH: Well, don’t put the house there then. Put the house upon your shoulder… You get that?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Got that? Well, now put two houses there on your shoulder.

PC: I can see quite a number of them.

LRH: All right, let’s get a lot of houses up there on your shoulder.

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Have you got ‘em?

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Drop ‘em into that spiralling mass…